fig leaves

The newsletter of the Fire Information Group UK (FIG UK)

www.figuk.org.uk

No. 40
March 2010

Edited by Sheila Pantry, OBE
Sheila Pantry Associates Ltd

This Newsletter contains:

News from around the World
Diary of Events
Summary of the FIGUK Meeting held on 10 March 2010
Dates of next meetings

FIGUK website www.figuk.org.uk ... please help to promote FIGUK whenever you can ...

News items from around the world

The Fire Risk in Europe Conference 2010

Northumberland Fire and Rescue Service (UK) has the pleasure of hosting the Fire Risk in Europe Conference 2010 on Monday 21st and Tuesday 22nd June 2010 at the Marriott Gosforth Park Hotel, Newcastle, United Kingdom.

The conference will provide a European platform for sharing best practice, knowledge and experience on how to identify, assess and manage fire risk.

Three categories of fire risk will be addressed during the event:

Accidental Fire Risk - fires caused by accidents, negligence, lack of awareness/education/knowledge in the home, in the workplace, within vehicles and means of transportation, within heritage buildings and other buildings of cultural significance.
Environmental Fire Risk - fires within natural environments and within urban-rural interface environments, including: wildfires, forest fires, grass fires, moorland fires and heathland fires.
Social Fire Risk - deliberate fires, criminal fires (arson), social groups within society who by choice or circumstance are at high risk of becoming a victim of fire or who are at high risk of setting a fire.

For further details visit the website www.fireriskeuropeconference.com or if you have any queries in relation to this event please contact Sarah Byrne on +44 (0) 845 6434 812 or ANSFR2010@mosaicevents.co.uk

Did you know? BRE Fire research archive being digitally preserved

A project to digitise the BRE Fire Research Archive, to ensure its preservation and future dissemination, is being undertaken by post-graduate students from the BRE Centre for Fire Safety Engineering at the University of Edinburgh. With funding from the Edinburgh Small Projects Grant (and from the BRE Centre) this treasure trove of research, conducted in the pioneering days of fire safety science, will be preserved and opened to the fire community.

Started in June 2009, the project could take years to complete the team would like to hear from anyone who could contribute.

For more information email: Susan Deeny at susan.deeny@ed.ac.uk

http://edinburghfireresearch.blogspot.com/2009/11/news-on-bre-digital-preservation.html

New legislation: The Fire Safety (Employees' Capabilities) (England) Regulations 2010

Fit for work?

Statement of Fitness for Work: A guide for employers has been produced in partnership with the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development, the Confederation of British Industry, the Federation of Small Businesses, Acas, the Association of British Insurers and EEF, the manufacturers' organisation. This guide is for all employers and includes information on the changes to the form itself and the effect of these changes on your business and your workforce.

Statement of Fitness for Work: A guide for employers
UK Department of Works and Pensions, 18 February 2010, 23 pages

www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/fitnote-employer-guide.pdf

RR782 - Fire and explosion properties of nanopowders: UK Health and Safety Executive, Research Report

Nanotechnology is a rapidly expanding technology in which existing and novel materials are engineered at the nanoscale, typically in the range of 1 to 100 nanometres. Engineered nanomaterials include uniquely manufactured products with unique shapes and enhanced physical and chemical properties, compared with conventional materials of the same composition. There is currently little available information on the explosion risks of these materials. The UK Health and Safety Executive therefore commissioned this project to investigate the potential fire and explosion hazards associated with nanopowders. Test equipment and procedures were developed to assess the key properties of a selected number of nanopowders. A specialised 2 litre test vessel was developed to determine the explosion characteristics and modified standard test apparatus was used to measure the minimum ignition energy of nanopowders. Resistivity and electrostatic charging characteristics were assessed using specially designed test apparatus. Key information including K_St, P_max and MIE values were obtained for a range of metal and carbon nanopowders. Generally, the explosibility (maximum explosion pressure, rates of pressure rise and equivalent K_St) of nanopowders were found to be broadly similar to conventional micron-scale powders. However, the minimum ignition energies of some nanopowders were found to be lower than the equivalent material at micron-scale. It was demonstrated that with increasing relative humidity the resistivity of most nanopowders decreases. There was also a tendency for nanopowders to have higher resistivity values than conventional micron-scale powders. All the powders produced electrostatic charge. Generally, the charge developed by nanopowders was comparable with the micron-scale powders.

RR782 - Fire and explosion properties of nanopowders
UK Health and Safety Executive, 2010, Research Report RR782, 68 pages

www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr782.pdf

Firefighters in WWII

The University of East Anglia Archives Hub is featuring firefighters from WWII years.

www.archiveshub.ac.uk/firefighters.shtml

Contact: Information Services, Archives and Special Collections, The Library, University of East Anglia, Norfolk, NR4 7TJ, UK | Tel: +44(0)1603-593491 | Fax: +44(0)1603-591010 | Email: archives@uea.ac.uk | www.uea.ac.uk/is/archives | http://www.uea.ac.uk/is/speccoll

The EC Drivers' Hours and Tachograph Rules for Goods Vehicles (Regulation 561/2006) Fire and Rescue Service Survey and Advice

The EC Drivers' Hours and Tachograph Rules for Goods Vehicles (Regulation 561/2006) limit driving time and ensure that proper break and rest periods are taken so that road traffic accidents are prevented.

Concerns have been raised from within the Fire and Rescue Service that these regulations potentially impact on the recruitment and retention of firefighters employed on the Retained Duty System who drive vehicles that fall within the scope of the legislation.

Communities and Local Government and the Chief Fire Officers' Association have surveyed Fire and Rescue Services to identify the impact of the EU Rules.

This report analyses the survey findings for England and provides advice to the Fire and Rescue Service on meeting the provisions of the EU Rules.

The EC Drivers' Hours and Tachograph Rules for Goods Vehicles (Regulation 561/2006): Fire and Rescue Service Survey and Advice
Communities and Local Government, 16 March 2010, ISBN: 978-1-4098-2262-2, 42 pages

For full report www.communities.gov.uk/documents/fire/pdf/1505039.pdf

Fire leaders back plan to strike the right balance on health and safety

Leading fire and rescue figures are backing efforts to strike the right balance between protecting fire-fighters and ensuring they can properly respond to emergencies.

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) has agreed a new policy statement with the Chief Fire Officers Association (CFOA), the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) and the government's Office of the Chief Fire and Rescue Adviser (OCFRA).

It sets out HSE's support for a sensible and proportionate approach to dealing with risk in the emergency service.

Fire and Rescue Services operate under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, which puts a legal duty on them to protect their workers. But the new statement makes clear that this doesn't prevent firefighters from doing their job.

HSE Chair Judith Hackitt said:

"We want to clear up any misunderstandings - a proper approach to health and safety does not prevent fire-fighters from doing their job.

"Firefighters perform a unique and indispensible role. It is part of their job to intervene in dangerous situations to protect people and property.

"The law expects that they will themselves be protected as far as is reasonably practicable - but in fast moving situations they must exercise judgement about what is reasonable and what is not.

"Some actions that firefighters have to take to protect people inevitably put themselves at some risk. We welcome the opportunity to clarify the balance that is required in making and taking these decisions.

"Our statement makes this clear and I am delighted that it has such strong support from fire service employers and unions."

Mark Smitherman, CFOA Operational Response Director, said:

"Firefighters are perhaps unique in the risks they face and manage during their working lives.

"There are few jobs in the UK in which a manager will routinely have to make such complex decisions about sending colleagues into dangerous situations.

"It is vital for the safety of both firefighters and members of the public that the best possible decisions are made under such extreme and challenging circumstances.

"Appropriate health and safety guidance will help us do this, and I am delighted that we now have this statement to clarify how the balance between operational need and health and safety can be struck."

The Government's Chief Fire and Rescue Adviser, Sir Ken Knight, said:

"The HSE has recognised that the work of the fire and rescue service is often carried out in a fast moving, extremely hazardous and emotionally charged environment. I welcome this statement which seeks to clarify the HSE expectations on fire and rescue services with regard to health and safety management, and aims to provide a consistent approach to applying health and safety enforcement and safety audits within the fire and rescue services' work."

John McGhee, National Officer at the FBU, said:

"Firefighters face dangerous situations on a routine basis. No one wants to see them injured or killed while carrying out their work. In our profession Health and Safety is literally a matter of life or death. The FBU is glad to see that HSE recognises there is a balance between placing unacceptable expectations on firefighters and making sure they are trained and equipped to safely carry out the job they are expected to do - save lives."

The statement acknowledges that "firefighters and managers... have to make decisions in what are sometimes extremely hazardous, emotionally charged and fast-moving situations".

Fire service employees have the right to expect good health and safety systems that take into account the unique nature of the work as well as robust and non-bureaucratic risk assessments. HSE inspectors will refer to the statement in conducting inspections and investigations of fire services.

Striking the balance - operational and health and safety duties Statement and subsequent guidance to assist fire and rescue authorities

www.hse.gov.uk/services/fire/duties.pdf

EEMUA Publication 207 "Double Concrete Tanks for Liquefied Gas: Guide to design, construction and operation" is launched

This pioneering Guide is a world first in defining good and best practices for engineering such tanks - storage facilities that will be not only safety critical, but also could be critical to safeguarding a part of the national infrastructure for many countries around the globe.

A wealth of technical information is included in EEMUA 207 - technical content supported by years of experience gained by the authors in building and operating similar structures. The authoring group comprised representatives from EEMUA member companies, such as BP, ExxonMobil and Shell, together with representatives from engineering construction and inspection organisations, such as AF CryoTank, Arup, Lloyd's Register, Technip and Whessoe Oil and Gas. Following the Guide should therefore reduce the risk of mistakes and poor practice during design, construction and commissioning.

The Publication should resolve many of the technical issues encountered during double concrete tank projects, thus reducing the need for 'technical debate' and improving project timescales, costs and quality.

"For an owner who has elected to adopt the double concrete concept, EEMUA 207 will be invaluable," says Dr Derek Hill of Foster Wheeler Energy Limited, a member of the authoring group. "The cost of producing a specification for a tank from scratch is reduced to simply reviewing EEMUA 207 and possibly adding their own preferences."

Similarly, EEMUA 207 provides for the engineering contractor detailed information that will minimise the risk of obtaining varying quotations from tank constructors.

Tank designers will also benefit for the EEMUA Guide: it gives them a clear basis for their calculations. And tank construction companies are informed of the quality of testing and examination required for materials, construction methods and the tank structure.

EEMUA Publication 207 "Double Concrete Tanks for Liquefied Gas: Guide to design, construction and operation" is available online at www.eemua.org/shop.aspx or by telephoning EEMUA Sales on +44 (0) 20 76 21 00 11.

Fire Gateway to close

The UK Government has announced that Fire Gateway, www.fire.gov.uk the web portal that offers an array of online fire-related services in England, will close down from 31 March 2010. The website's 'transactional functions' - for example, the ability to submit requests for home fire safety visits direct to local fire and rescue services - ceased to function on 4 February 2010. In addition, the fire safety advice and information on the site will be moved to other existing government-related websites. Home fire safety advice will be available at: www.directgov.co.uk and workplace fire safety guidance at www.businesslink.gov.uk with people encouraged to contact their local fire and rescue service for information and enquiries.

Societal Risk and the consideration of technical and policy issues

This is a summary of the UK Health and Safety Executive's (HSE) consideration of these issues and how they will be taken into societal risk assessment. HSE are developing a model for the estimation of societal risk from major accident hazard installations. A public consultation exercise on broad proposals for the use of Societal Risk to address risks from Major Hazards around Top Tier COMAH sites (CD 212) was undertaken in 2007. Arising from the consultation, and other contributions, a list of 23 areas of technical and policy matters was compiled for further consideration.

In order to address these matters HSE formed a special "task and finish" Technical Advisory Group (TAG) to advise, challenge and support the development of societal risk methodology, criteria and delivery mechanism suitable for use in land use planning. These issues were developed within HSE and during TAG meetings in 2008 and 2009 as part of the Societal Risk (SR) Land Use Planning (LUP) project.

The results may be used to advise local authorities on proposed land use allocations around certain major hazard installations, and to complement PADHI (Planning Advice for Developments near Hazardous Installations) advice. As a result of the discussions and advice from the TAG, HSE has developed an 'Adopted Position' for these issues for the purpose of moving forward with this project, one output of which will be a revision of the 1989 document 'Risk Criteria for land use planning in the vicinity of major hazards.' These adopted positions are not yet HSE Policy. The summary, is a distillation of the discussions and are not intended to be a complete summary of every aspect discussed, but to highlight some of the more important considerations. Where relevant, reference to supporting work is included. 'Prevention and control' involves the assessment of risks by the operator of the major hazard site and the implementation of appropriate safety measures. These requirements are enforced via the HSW Act and other relevant legislation, including COMAH and PSR. Prevention and control by the operator reduce the risk of a major accident to a very low level, but do not completely eliminate the possibility that one could take place. There is therefore a 'residual risk' of an accident happening.

Societal Risk and the consideration of technical and policy issues
Health and Safety Executive, February 2010, 13 pages
ISBN 9780901357458

www.hse.gov.uk/societalrisk/technical-policy-issues.pdf

Diary of Events

22-26 March 2010 - Protection, Mitigation and Prediction
CPD Short Course for Industry - Institution of Fire Engineers (IFE) approved
University of Leeds, UK
Contact: University of Leeds, CPD Unit, Leeds, UK | Tel: +44 (0) 113 343 2494 / 8104 | Email: cpd@engineering.ac.uk | Download the full course programme at: http://www.engineering.leeds.ac.uk/short-courses/fire-engineering/

24 March 2010 - Corporate Manslaughter for Health and Safety Professionals: A practical one day course led by both a health & safety professional and a lawyer
London
Contact: LexisNexis | Tel: +44 (0)20 7347 3573 | Email: ebookings@lexisnexis.co.uk quoting 10248DA

29-31 March 2010 - Fire Dynamics and Fire Safety Engineering Design
School of Engineering and Electronics, Fire Safety Group, University of Edinburgh, UK
Contact: Office of Lifelong Learning, The University of Edinburgh, 11 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh, UK | Tel: +44 (0)131 651 1189 | Fax: +44 (0)131 651 1746 | Email: cpd@ed.ac.uk | www.lifelong.ed.ac.uk/cpd

12-15 April 2010 - Fire Science and Fire Investigation Course
School of Engineering and Electronics, Fire Safety Group, University of Edinburgh, UK
Contact: Office of Lifelong Learning, The University of Edinburgh, 11 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh, UK | Tel: +44 (0)131 651 1189 | Fax: +44 (0)131 651 1746 | Email: cpd@ed.ac.uk | www.lifelong.ed.ac.uk/cpd

10-13 May 2010 - IFSEC 2010
Halls 3a, 4 and 5, National Exhibition Centre (NEC), Birmingham B40 1NT, UK
Contact: IFSEC 2010 | Tel: +44 (0) 121 780 4141 | Fax: +44 (0) 121 767 3825 | https://www.ifsecglobal.com/event/en/home.html

5-7 July 2010 - The Interflam 2010: 12th International Conference on Fire Science and Engineering
East Midlands Conference Centre - University of Nottingham, UK
Contact: Interflam Secretariat, Interscience Communications Ltd West Yard House, Guildford Grove, Greenwich, London, SE10 8JT, UK | Tel: +44 (0) 208 692 5050 | Fax: +44 (0) 208 692 5155 | Email: intercomm@dial.pipex.com | www.intercomm.dial.pipex.com/html/events/interflam10cfp.htm

Abbreviated Minutes of the FIGUK meeting Wednesday, 10 March 2010 held at Hawkins and Associates, Cambridge

Chair:: Paula McCrudden, Hawkins and Associates
Minutes:: Sheila Pantry, Sheila Pantry Associates Ltd
Present:: Roger Berrett, Dr Roger Berrett Associates; Elizabeth Delaney, BSRIA; Julia Ferrugia, West Midlands FRS; Nigel Herring, Bureau Veritas; David Lane, Lane, Jefferies & Associates; Julia Mason, Fire Service College (FSC); Paula McCrudden, Hawkins and Associates; Michele McHugh, London Fire & Emergency Planning Authority (LFEPA); Sheila Pantry OBE, Sheila Pantry Associates Ltd; Clare Sinclair, BSRIA; David Wales, Kent FRS; Sally Walsh, Dr Burgoyne & Partners LLP
Apologies:: Marian Bodian, BRE; Anna Canning, CLG; Penny Morgan, International Fire Consultants (IFC); Lauren Paines, Barbour; John Roy; Jack Sullivan, Valiant Services; Jane Thurgood, Fire Protection Association; Alyson Warner, CLG

1. Welcome

Richard Fletcher, MD, Hawkins and Associates welcomed FIGUK Members and gave a short resume of the work of Hawkins and Associates and their information needs.

2. Introductions

As there were some new faces round the table introductions were made. FIGUK is delighted to welcome Clare Sinclair, BSRIA and also to see David Lane again.

3. Minutes of the Last Meeting

The minutes of the meeting in September 2010 were agreed as a true record.

Sheila reminded those present that the full minutes are for members with a brief version for the website covering decisions and actions. Also requested that members should send in by email any contributions that they make.

ACTION: All Members present at the meeting to send information.

4. Matters arising

Fire Service College Library ongoing discussion

Information since the last meeting in September 2009 included the following:

Julia Mason explained that there is a new CEO at the Fire Service College (FSC).
FSC's Head of Information cannot take any action re the current access decision - it must come from the relevant minister at CLG. The decision has been taken to restrict the Library service to FSC staff and students only. Some inter-library loans are possible through institutions/organisations.
Julia Mason and Jane Thurgood had met as agreed and had produced a short draft paper of the possibilities for the way forward for FIGUK to discuss regarding fire information in the UK. This paper was circulated 4 December 2009 to members and twice again 2010. No comments on the paper had been received.
After various contributions to the discussion in which it was noted that this is not a trivial project, Sheila offered to draft a letter regarding funding for such a project and would confer with Sally on the contents. Funding to support a project that would allow FIGUK to engage a specialist(s) who would carry out an extensive survey of all the potential users and their information needs.

NB Since the meeting on 10 March 2010 it has been decided to have a special meeting of FIGUK to discuss this project thoroughly before any request for funding is made.

The date is Wednesday, 19 May 2010 at 11.30 am at Burgoynes and Partners LLP, 11-12 Half Moon Court, Bartholomew Close, London EC1A 7HF. See Burgoynes website for location details http://burgoynes.com/contact-us

On 14 March 2010 Sheila Pantry sent an email to all FIGUK Members on this subject with a list of suggested points (other points will arise at the meeting) that should be discussed before any applications for funding is made.

5. Accounts

Sally Walsh presented the accounts.

6. Membership

Sally reported that membership is now 27 members. Ongoing discussion on how to raise membership numbers.

Our own web site www.figuk.org.uk already acts as advert, as does the FIGUK Newsletter.

ACTIONS: All Members to think of ways to raise the membership numbers - Michele will contact Arup, Sheila will contact the library staff at the universities teaching fire sciences to ask if any are interested in joining FIGUK.

7. Round table news

Kent FRS

David Wales reported on the research work that he has just started in conjunction with others, and will report back at the next meeting.

David also gave details of The Fire Risk in Europe Conference 2010: Northumberland Fire and Rescue Service (UK) is hosting the Fire Risk in Europe Conference 2010 on Monday 21st and Tuesday 22nd June 2010 at the Marriott Gosforth Park Hotel, Newcastle, United Kingdom. See News for full details.

The UK Incident Recording System - David gave an overview of the Incident Recording System (IRS) which all Fire and Rescue Services were required to adopt by 1st April 2009. This is a standardised electronic data capture system completed after all incidents, although the fields completed will depend on the information entered and vary by incident type. The FDR1 form familiar to many ceased to be used from 31st March 2009. The IRS offers the potential for a more complete data set and hopefully and hopefully reduce the time from capture to publication.

David mentioned the South East England Wildfire Group which is chaired by a Rob Gazzard of the Forestry Commission. Kent FRS were invited to join but so far other work has prevented this.

Below are two links to fire related projects which have benefitted from European funding but will also be of interest in their own right.

Accidental natural social fire risk: www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=4604
European Exchange of Best Practice in Arson Prevention and Investigation: www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1311

Bureau Veritas

Nigel Herring mentioned the FABIG events that may be of interest to members. www.fabig.com/events

BSRIA

Clare Sinclair attended the meeting - she is joining BSRIA as the Information and Knowledge Manager. Clare previously worked at RIBA.

BSRIA's WMI (Worldwide Market Intelligence) department has just completed an in-depth study of the North American market for fire detection and alarm which will be published in April 2010.

BSRIA is also planning an update of the study on the European market Fire detection and alarm study which should be published in early 2011.

Both these publications, and information on others can be found on our website www.bsria.co.uk

The Fire Industry Association ran a course here in conjunction with BSRIA, but it is unlikely, unfortunately to be repeated.

Fire Service College

Julia Mason reported that the library is still updating the catalogue which is available on the FSC website. There is also a new CEO at the FSC. She noted the new partnership between the FSC and Coventry University Disaster Planning Department (Coventry taking over from UCLAN)

Access to the FSC Library is still limited to students and FSC staff. This arrangement has been in place since 31 March 2008.

Julia also noted that the CLG has organized for a scanning company to scan all documents on "guidance" held by the FSC Library

Julia Mason will be sending to Sheila the FSC revamped / reduced 2010 list of journals to which FSC subscribes. These titles will be added to the list of journals taken by Members' organisations.

ACTION

If any other Member has a list of journals and newsletters that are subscribed to on a regular basis and wish to be added to the list - please send details to Sheila Pantry.

The completed list, in word doc format will be disseminated to Members for their own use in the near future. It will not appear on the FIGUK web site.

Michele McHugh, LFEPA

Still working on maintaining the various library services, but the Library itself is still under management discussion regarding its future. Opening hours still being debated.

Steve Hamms now works for LFB as Assistant Commissioner (AC) and is responsible for Training and Development.

West Midlands FRS

Julia Ferrugia reported that her work on the development of the library/information service was continuing.

Sheila Pantry, Sheila Pantry Associates Ltd

The electronic information services FIREINF www.fireinf.com and OSH UPDATE www.oshupdate.com that her company has produced for many years are continuing to expand in worldwide content - especially in the number of full text documents.

FIREINF with 17 databases in the collection currently has over 532,000 records and 31,000 full text documents including UK legislation, whilst OSH UPDATE with 19 databases in the collection contains over 807,000 records and around 60,000 full text documents.

Arguably both services are more customer "purse" friendly than any other such services in the marketplace.

Sheila's latest book published by FACET is entitled How to give your users the LIS Services they want see www.sheilapantry.com/books/9781856046725.html

Websites included portals such www.oshworld.com which contains a wealth of information including extensive fire and fire related links that complement the occupational safety and health, chemical and environment information.

The Acronyms and Abbreviations

The Acronyms and Abbreviations on the FIGUK website needs updating. Members are requested to send any additions to Sheila.

ACTION: All Members

David Lane, Lane Jeffries and Associates

David Lane, Lane Jeffries and Associates offered copies of the results of two projects - FLOODEX and also the National Rescue Assurance Team NRAT CDS to FIGUK Members - contact David on Ljfireco1@aol.com if Members wish to have copies.

Dr Roger Berrett Associates Ltd

Roger noted that the Forensic Science Service is to get rid of 800 of its 1900 staff with closures of Chepstow, Chorley and Birmingham facilities.

The International Association of Arson Investigators (IAAI) had recently held a very successful AGM and training day. See www.iaai-uk.org.

Fire investigation will continue in 2 places only. LGC Forensics (www.lgc.co.uk/divisions/lgc_forensics.aspx) have the police contracts for SW and NW.

Dr J H Burgoyne & Partners LLP

Sally Walsh reported that she continues to be involved with the scripting of new software for the case and client management at Burgoynes. She has also had some Student assistance that has helped to clear some backlogs of cataloguing and administration.

Fire Protection Association

Jane Thurgood sent the following information:

New products released recently:

new edition of 'Role of the Fire Warden'
'Fire Safety in Schools' Training Information Pack
new interactive version of the 'Construction Site Fire Prevention Checklist' for members only

New products to be launch Spring 2010:

Fire Safety in Healthcare Premises (working with the National Association of Healthcare Fire Officers to produce this)
Fire Extinguisher Handbook
Fire Warden Training Information Pack (based on the new Fire Warden DVD released in December 2009)

FPA, RISCAuthority and 'Fire Risk Management' launching new websites in May/June 2010- new member areas, shop etc.

FPA signed up with Barbour in November.

8. AOB

Sally has lots of hard copies of FIG Leaves and will scan those not already on the website.

9. Date of next meetings

It was AGREED that this would be on Wednesday, 15 September 2010 at London Fire Brigade HQ.

Christmas lunch is to be arranged for Thursday 2 December 2010 at Denise's French Restaurant in Southampton Row, London

Extra Meeting to discuss the proposal to request funding re the state of fire information collections in the UK and FSC Library is Wednesday, 19 May 2010 at 11.30 am at Burgoynes 11-12 Half Moon Court, Bartholomew Close, London EC1A 7HF. See Burgoynes website for location details http://burgoynes.com/contact-us

The meeting closed at 15.00.

Many thanks to Hawkins and Associates and Paula McCrudden for hosting the meeting.